HSV buckled: “Too little for what we plan to do” – TM community discusses Walter

Defeat against Paderborn

The worrying defeat of Hamburger SV also caused a certain level of perplexity for the otherwise quick-witted coach Tim Walter. “It’s difficult to put it into words,” said the 48-year-old after the 1:2 (1:1) against SC Paderborn. “If I make so many individual mistakes on defense and also on offense, then that’s not enough to win games in the strong second division.”

The next setback for the promotion candidate in the 2nd Bundesliga on Saturday marked the low point of an alarming development. In this form, the sixth attempt to return to the Bundesliga is in danger of failing. If the Hanseatic League disappoint again at the end of the first half of the season next Saturday in Nuremberg (1 p.m./Sky) and do not end the year in a promotion place, Walter is likely to come under increasing pressure. The fortress that he and sports director Jonas Boldt have built around the team is slowly starting to crack.

Even at home, things are no longer going smoothly for the traditional club. After seven wins in the Volksparkstadion at home, HSV now lost the certainty that things were somehow going well at home despite weak away performances. “It’s very, very bitter,” said attacker Robert Glatzel. Now the squad, which is actually overqualified for the second division, is about to fall out of the promotion zone. HSV was lucky that city rivals and league leaders FC St. Pauli only got one point against bottom club Osnabrück and SpVgg Greuther Fürth also lost a home win against Magdeburg in stoppage time.

Armin Veh to Tim Walter: All HSV coaches since July 2010

Armin Veh | July 1, 2010 – March 13, 2011 | Point average: 1.48

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As of December 10, 2023

Michael Oenning | 03/13/2011 – 09/19/2011 | Point average: 0.80

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Rodolfo Cardoso | 09/19/2011 – 10/09/2011 | Point average: 1.50

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Interim coach

Frank Arnesen | 10/10/2011 – 16/10/2011 | Point average: 3.00

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Interim coach

Thorsten Fink | 10/17/2011 – 09/17/2013 | Point average: 1.28

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Rodolfo Cardoso | 09/17/2013 – 09/24/2013 | Point average: 1.50

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Interim coach

Bert van Marwijk | 09/25/2013 – 02/15/2014 | Point average: 0.88

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Mirko Slomka | 02/17/2014 – 09/15/2014 | Point average: 0.89

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Josef Zinnbauer | 09/16/2014 – 03/22/2015 | Point average: 1.00

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Peter Knäbel | 03/22/2015 – 04/14/2015 | Point average: 0.00

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Interim coach

Bruno Labbadia | April 15, 2015 – September 25, 2016 | Point average: 1.20

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Markus Gisdol | 09/25/2016 – 01/21/2018 | Point average: 1.12

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Bernd Hollerbach | 01/22/2018 – 03/12/2018 | Point average: 0.43

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Christian Titz | March 12, 2018 – October 23, 2018 | Point average: 1.79

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Hannes Wolf | October 23, 2018 – June 30, 2019 | Point average: 1.68

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Dieter Hecking | July 1, 2019 – June 30, 2020 | Point average: 1.58

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Daniel Thioune | July 6th, 2020 – May 3rd, 2021 | Point average: 1.63

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Horst Hrubesch | May 3, 2021 – June 30, 2021 | Point average: 1.5

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Interim coach

Tim Walter | Since July 1, 2021 | Point average: 1.82

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“Of course that’s not enough for what we plan to do,” said goalkeeper Daniel Heuer Fernandes. However, the 31-year-old said about the poor performance in recent weeks: “I don’t see any trend there.” However, the development among the Hanseatic League certainly sounds worrying. The club only got four points from the last four league games and only four wins from the last eleven league games. Even the narrow 2-1 win against relegation candidate Eintracht Braunschweig was hard-fought. The two defeats against the promoted teams from Elversberg and Osnabrück were the first warning signs in September. On Wednesday, HSV was also eliminated from the DFB Cup by Hertha BSC.

In typical Walter style, the coach was still optimistic about getting three points at FCN: “We have been down so many times and we always get back up.” But the next slip-up in Nuremberg could have consequences. In the HSV forum on Transfermarkt there has been a heated discussion about Walter’s personality since the defeat against Paderborn. There are increasing voices that the 48-year-old’s time could come to an end after two and a half years in office and 98 games in which he scored an average of 1.82 points (the best value for a HSV coach in the second division). .

HSV: TM community discusses possible change of coach

“Slowly, even the last person should understand that the discussion about the trainer must at least be met with understanding,” writes TM user “WillyWinzig04”. And “Infantil” says: “I’m a big fan of Walter. However, we are currently running out of excuses. Even with the umpteenth individual mistake, when you actually say, what can Walter do about it? He’s just responsible for the bunch.” It gives the impression that Walter has lost the team in a playful way: “We’re not able to get our horsepower out there. In addition, we are not evolving. On the contrary. We are even getting worse.” The winter break has now come at the right time.

“Naikou1887” is of the opinion that HSV has performed “catastrophically” in the last few weeks: “The team is undisciplined, unfocused, tactically questionable and lacking in ideas. All points that can be traced back to the coach. I haven’t seen HSV perform like this for years. Under these circumstances you have to question the coach and look for a replacement during the winter break.”

Zidane, Kuntz & Co.: These trainers are currently on the market

Zinédine Zidane (France – Last team: Real Madrid)

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Julen Lopetegui (Spain – Last team: Wolverhampton)

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André Villas-Boas (Portugal – Last team: Marseille)

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Laurent Blanc (France – Last team: Olympique Lyon)

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Ralph Hasenhüttl (Austria – Last team: Southampton)

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Giovanni van Bronckhorst (Netherlands – Last team: Glasgow)

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Joachim Löw (Germany – Last team: Germany)

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Oliver Glasner (Austria – Last team: E. Frankfurt)

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Clarence Seedorf (Netherlands – Last team: Cameroon)

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Hansi Flick (Germany – Last team: Germany)

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Ole Gunnar Solskjaer (Norway – Last team: Man United)

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Ruud van Nistelrooy (Netherlands – Last team: PSV Eindhoven)

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Lothar Matthäus (Germany – Last team: Bulgaria)

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Bruno Labbadia (Germany – Last team: VfB Stuttgart)

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Bruno Génésio (France – Last team: Stade Rennes)

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Miroslav Klose (Germany – Last team: SCR Altach)

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“Nickinho7”, on the other hand, is against a change of coach at HSV: “Why? It’s not the first sporting dent he could overcome; If I look at the market for available trainers, I would easily place 90 percent of the trainers under Walter; In my opinion, the team doesn’t play against him and you can see learning effects because he’s reacting now.”

Schalke fan “Steff2709”, who joins the discussion, is also critical of the possible alternatives: “There are hardly any better coaches on the market and some of them also have destructive styles of play, so that you quickly deteriorate in terms of play.” According to him, HSV “Good conditions and, if you change two or three positions in the winter, great opportunities.” You shouldn’t forget that you’re still third.

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