Hoeneß criticizes playoff idea: “A law against Bayern Munich”

“I think it’s a joke”

Bayern Munich’s honorary president Uli Hoeneß has spoken out vehemently against playoff games in the Bundesliga. “That’s just a law against Bayern Munich,” said the 70-year-old on the program “Sport and Talk from Hangar-7” on “Servus TV” about the recent debate about a changed game mode: “I find it ridiculous. In the Bundesliga, after 34 match days, the champion should be the one who has gone through thick and thin with his team.”

The fight for the title in the Bundesliga has been characterized for years by the dominance of Bayern, who, as table leaders, are currently aiming for their tenth championship in a row. The introduction of a playoff mode “has nothing to do with tension,” says Hoeneß.

The former Bayern president also found clear words about the advance of the new DFL boss Donata Hopfen: “The new managing director of the DFL is now thinking day and night about how we can break the dominance of FC Bayern. And now they come up with this idea.”

Hoeneß: Then “they decide that we can only play with ten people”

There are no playoffs in any major football league in the world, Hoeneß argued: “Not in England, not in France, not in Spain, not in Italy. The knockout system is in the DFB Cup, the knockout system is in the Champions League. And the championship has to be won by whoever is the best team throughout the year.”

The 70-year-old also referred to the already full schedule: “At the end of the season, when everyone is broken, still having playoffs with semifinals and finals, I think it’s a joke.” That Bayern boss Oliver Kahn is open to a debate had shown about the playoffs, Hoeneß commented briefly: “That’s his opinion, it’s not mine.” Finally, he commented sarcastically on the subject on the show: “If you don’t get any further with it, you decide that we only play with ten people may.”

Highest home defeats in the Bundesliga: With Gladbach, Freiburg & Bayern

Borussia M’gladbach goes down 6-0 against Freiburg (2021/22)

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…it was “only” the fourth-highest home defeat for Gladbach in league history.

SC Freiburg lost 6-0 to FC Bayern (03/04)

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The Freiburg fans know only too well what a 0:6 feels like.

SC Freiburg lost 6-0 to Werder Bremen (04/05)

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SC Freiburg lost 6-0 to Werder Bremen (09/10)

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Déjà vu in Breisgau…

The KSC gets under the wheels with 1:7 against Schalke (76/77)

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Only 17 Bundesliga clubs suffered worse in their own stadium than Gladbach recently against Freiburg. For KSC, the 1:7 was the highest home defeat in club history.

Bielefeld coach Jan Notermans at 1: 7 against Braunschweig (71/72)

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The highest home bankruptcy in DSC history.

Dieter Hoeneß at VfB 7: 1 in Darmstadt (78/79)

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The biggest home bankruptcy in Lilien’s history.

Pavel Kuka scored three goals in FCK’s 7-1 win in Duisburg (93/94)

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The highest home bankruptcy in MSV history.

Rudi Völler goes down with Werder 7-1 against Gladbach (86/87)

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Gladbach loses 7-1 to FC Bayern (78/79)

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Ulf Kirsten with a hat-trick at Bayer 8-2 in Gladbach (98/99)

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Guardiola’s Bayern roll over Werder 7-0 at the Weser Stadium (13/14)

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The highest home bankruptcy in Werder history.

Klinsmann’s five-pack in VfB’s 7-0 win in Düsseldorf (85/86)

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The highest home bankruptcy in Fortuna history.

After 30 minutes 0:5 – the KSC handles the SBU (64/65)

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The 0:7 was the highest home defeat in Eintracht history.

Four-pack Hugo Dausmann at Werders 7: 0 in Mönchengladbach (65/66)

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The highest home bankruptcy in Borussia history.

S04 sweeps through the Olympic Stadium and shoots down Bayern 7-0 (76/77)

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A few months after the third title in the premier class in a row, it was the highest home defeat in Bayern history.

RW Essen played 76/77 in the 1st league for the last time – the highest defeat was a 1:8 vs. SGE

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The heaviest home defeat in RWE history.

With 1:8 against Bayern, the Millerntor 10/11 said goodbye to the 1st league

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It was the second highest home defeat in FC St. Pauli’s history. The highest was in 1958 against HSV in the Oberliga Nord with 0:8.

Borussia Neunkirchen’s 1:9 against 1860 was doubly historic (65/66)

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Highest home bankruptcy in the history of Neunkirchen and highest away win in Löwen’s history

SSV Ulm lost 9-1 against Bayer (99/00)

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In the only Bundesliga season to date, it was the highest home bankruptcy in Ulm club history.

Tasmania Berlin with historic 0: 9 home defeat against Duisburg (65/66)

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The weakest team in Bundesliga history with two wins, four draws and a goal difference of 15:108 also caused the highest home defeat in the league. For Tasmania, who now plays in the Regionalliga Nordost, the 0:9 was the heaviest defeat in their own stadium.

That’s what TM users say about the playoff debate

The playoff idea is also the subject of controversy in the TM community. For TM user gaga81, introducing playoffs would be “a total downgrade of the league. […] Of course there are always other champions, but it’s not fair.”

To me, playoffs are a total downgrade of the league. Check out the regular season attendances for leagues with playoffs. The numbers are going down. In the NFL, the stadiums are sometimes only 2/3 full at clubs towards the end. Some of the tickets can be bought for $10. Also clearly visible in ice hockey or basketball.
I think it’s worse that the teams that have had a great season end up losing everything just because 2-3 players are injured. …

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User “Mr Ripley” would also be critical of the playoffs: “That would tinker with the symptoms, but not the causes of boredom in the Bundesliga. […] Yes, then there will definitely be another champion every 8 to 10 years, but at what price?”

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This would tinker with the symptoms, but not the causes of the boredom in the Bundesliga.
Yes, then there will definitely be another master every 8 to 10 years, but at what price?
It also kind of goes against the essence of the European league system. I used to say to American colleagues – with a wink – that football doesn’t need that, it’s exciting and entertaining without the knockout drama. Unfortunately, that’s no longer true, but we can’t get it cured…

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“Playoffs would probably even make the current situation worse”

“Playoffs would probably even make the current situation worse. The ‘playoff teams’ would generate extra money again and set themselves apart from the rest (substructure Bundesliga and second division),” continues “Mr Ripley”. However, user “ralf81” can gain something from the idea under certain conditions:

“I find playoffs interesting in general, but not in a one-piece league. If you think you can only keep the fight for the championship exciting with playoffs, then you would inevitably have to play in two groups. Because playoffs at the end of a single-track championship round are pointless for me and devalue the regular round too much. But then we would be very close to the American model.”

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I find playoffs interesting in general, but not in a one-piece league. If you think you can only keep the fight for the championship exciting with playoffs, then you would inevitably have to play in two groups. Because playoffs at the end of a single-track championship round are pointless for me and devalue the regular round too much. But then we would be very close to the American model (you may or may not like that)
It could then look like this:
– League o…

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The user “StehplKnipser” draws a comparison to ice hockey: “I’ve been an ice hockey fan for 25 years, playoffs are normal there. Such a system has advantages and disadvantages. Some games in the preliminary round lose massively in importance, but the playoff time is much, much more intense for fans. […] It’s an interesting thought, but those up there should ditch the idea that they can squeeze a little more money out of additional PO games.”

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I’ve been an ice hockey fan for 25 years, so playoffs are normal. Such a system has advantages and disadvantages. Some games in the preliminary round lose massively in importance, but the PO time is much, much more intense for fans. What would that mean for the Bundesliga?
Non-derbies and games against non-traditional clubs will hardly attract spectators because they become uninteresting without tabillary proximity. In ice hockey, more than half the league plays for PO places, so in such a system, only …

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Neuer draws level with Kahn: player with the most Bundesliga victories

Top 15 with three Bayern goalkeepers…

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These players most often won with their teams in the Bundesliga

15 Mats Hummels – 231 wins in 381 games

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For BVB (179/306), Bayern Munich (52/75)
As of February 5, 2022

14 Klaus Fichtel – 232 wins in 552 games

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For Schalke 04 (188/477), Werder Bremen (44/75)

13 Gerd Muller – 232 wins in 427 games

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For Bayern Munich (232/427)

12 Franz Beckenbauer – 235 wins in 424 games

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For Bayern Munich (220/396), Hamburger SV (15/28)

11 Mirko Votava – 237 wins in 545 games

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For Werder Bremen (163/356), BVB (74/189)

10 Stefan Reuter – 238 wins in 502 games

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For BVB (149/307), 1. FC Nuremberg (37/100), Bayern Munich (52/95)

9 Claudio Pizarro – 248 wins in 490 games

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For Werder Bremen (101/250), Bayern Munich (145/224), 1. FC Cologne (2/16)

8 Sepp Maier – 249 wins in 473 games

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For Bayern Munich (249/473)

7 Lothar Matthäus – 249 wins in 464 games

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For Bayern Munich (176/302), Borussia Mönchengladbach (73/162)

6 Philipp Lahm – 250 wins in 385 games

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For Bayern Munich (222/332), VfB Stuttgart (28/53)

5 Robert Lewandowski – 267 wins in 371 games

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For Bayern Munich (181/239), BVB (85/131)

4 Manfred Kaltz – 291 wins in 581 games

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For Hamburger SV (291/581)

3 Thomas Muller – 296 wins in 404 games

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For Bayern Munich (295/403)

1 Manuel Neuer – 310 wins in 458 games

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For Bayern Munich (232/301), FC Schalke 04 (77/156)

1 Oliver Kahn – 310 wins in 557 games

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For Bayern Munich (260/429), Karlsruher SC (50/128)

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