War between Russia and NATO real? ‘In Putin’s eyes we are already involved’

What is the probability that the war in Ukraine will turn into a major conflict between Russia and NATO? Does Russia want that at all and are NATO and the European Union doing the right things to avoid such a confrontation? We will present it to two experts: Rob de Wijk, founder of the The Hague Center for Strategic Studies and defense specialist Dick Zandee van Clingendael

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