Ruud de Wild secretly recorded a telephone argument with Gerard Joling. The recordings, which can be heard in his flop soap, do not lie. “I think you are a very untrustworthy bastard.”
Gerard Joling walks into Ruud de Wild’s radio studio outside a broadcast, says he looks so good since he has been with Olcay Gulsen, tries to get his record plugs and invites him to his birthday. And just after all that he shouts in Eva Jinek’s talk show that Ruud has such a bad soap and that he looks rather unsavory.
Ruud picks up Gerard
It is of course very false from Gerard, but in the meantime no one is really surprised. Many people can laugh at that falsity, but Ruud absolutely not. He was already a bit angry about it on the radio, but behind the scenes it turns out to be seriously angry about it. His entire resilience is simply pierced through.
It now appears that Ruud was called by Gerard and that the radio DJ secretly recorded that conversation. Gerard himself knows nothing, but those images will be broadcast next Wednesday in the final episode of Ruud & Olcay on NPO 1. In fact: they can already be seen on the paid video service of the NPO.
Not to eat
Before Ruud plays the conversation, he defends this questionable action. “He comes here in the studio and then plays nice again, like: ‘Do you want to play my record?’ Everyone is there, like: ‘You look so good! Fantastic! You’ve improved so nicely since you got Olcay!’ And then finally at Jinek’s table, you’re completely off.”
It’s just underhanded, says Ruud. “Yes, I really didn’t like that. And eventually someone will call you privately in the evening.”
Phone call
How’s that surreptitiously recorded phone call going? Gerard begins: “That was a bit of a shock, wasn’t it? No, no, no, but I think: I’m going to call you to say sorry, because it wasn’t meant to turn out like this. I actually find that very annoying.”
Ruud: “Yes, but Geer, you say in my studio…”
Gerard: “Yes, but that is now about the soap what I said. I comment on the soap, we all know how the profession works.”
Ruud: “No, Gerard, you have been personal! The others were business. You got personal!”
Gerard: “Yes, I should not have done that and I apologize for that.”
Untrustworthy bastard
Then Ruud really goes wild. “Then I just think you’re a really unreliable bastard if you do this to someone who also goddamn* mme was at your birthday. You do not do that. No, no, listen to me now! And if Gordon does this to you, then the whole of the Netherlands is too small.”
Gerard: “Yes, no, okay, but well: I think it is useful to say sorry and that it is not entirely intended. I’ll be in that one then flow with Max (meaning Jan Slagter, ed.) and then I say: ‘I think Ruud looks unsavory’, not handy.”
‘It’s shit, sorry’
Ruud: “I think we should be bigger than that. You can think what you think, just never get personal, because of course you can never judge someone on their appearance, Gerard.”
Gerard remains calm and apologizes again: “I completely agree with you there. I shouldn’t have done that. That sucks and that’s stupidly done. Again sorry.”
Highly illegal
Evert Santegoeds thinks that Ruud reacts very exaggerated to someone who has called him ‘unsavory’. “You see that more often, that people who regularly hand out sneers themselves can take it badly,” he says in the podcast Strictly Private. “By the way, it was not for Gerard to lash out like that. Yes, sometimes to Gordon, but that is part of the deal you would say.”
Music connoisseur Ronald Molendijk sets the scene Show news that Ruud is working illegally. “This is highly illegal. As far as I know, you can record a conversation in which you are present, but you cannot make a conversation public without permission.”
Colleague Bart Ettekoven: “We also asked Gerard, but he doesn’t know anything.”