How does Marcel van Roosmalen look back on his TV encounter with Angela de Jong, the woman he has been besieging for years in columns and podcasts? “She has two faces. Weird behaviour.”
An incredible amount was expected in advance: the meeting between Angela de Jong and Marcel van Roosmalen in his summer talk show Marcel & Gijs. It ended in a great disappointment: when Angela is sitting right in front of him, Marcel turns out not to be so rude to the opinion diva of the AD. The harvest? Just one small TV clash.
Clapper pistol
Today, a day later, Marcel is in his podcast Another Day much more critical. “Then you read back: where is the clash? Yeah, I don’t know where the clash is either. All ammunition is also completely wetted by such an Angela de Jong, immediately beforehand. You think to yourself: yes, what am I shooting at? Where do I start shooting?”
Colleague Gijs Groenteman: “Do you have any weapons at all? Or do you only have a clapper gun?”
Marcel: “In fact, yes. Your flapper pistol is your pen and that is of very little use in these circumstances. I don’t know how you look back on it.”
Discomfort
Gijs confesses that Angela made him a little nervous. “I felt a kind of discomfort with that Angela de Jong. I was also going to make all kinds of language mistakes in the beginning. ‘A phenomenon like you,’ I said. She also has a very refined way of tearing us down, because she is very nice before and after.”
He continues: “Then it’s like, ‘Gosh, are you here so early? Are you going to sit and rehearse all that?’ She has a very clever way of shaking the foundation of your self-confidence.”
Very different Angela
Marcel thinks that Angela showed a different face afterwards. “Yes, and afterwards it is immediately a completely different Angela. Then it is immediately that she saw on the email: ‘My regular viewers have fallen asleep halfway through.’”
Gijs: “Yes, from: ‘I receive an email here. That gentleman has dropped out at the animal sounds.’”
Marcel: “Yes: ‘People found it very boring.’”
Two faces
Marcel thinks he should have tackled Angela more spicy. “Of course we should have asked: ‘How is this possible? You grew up very sweet and you are like that yourself!’ I don’t find her unkind either, but it is of course very strange behavior those two faces. But yes, that all goes too deep for a minute and a half.”
He continues: “You can’t go beyond: ‘You write this, you write that.’ Then she says, “You are also moralistic. Then you should read your own pieces again.’ OK, I’ll do that. And then the first people start to bore away: yawn, yawn, no clash.”
‘Complain immediately!’
Yet Angela has been unmasked unintentionally, says Marcel. “Look, that whole Angela de Jong was actually exposed when she said: ‘If the food is not tasty one day (at Talpa’s catering, ed.), then you should complain immediately.’”
“I thought: yes, this is you.”