VUB rector Caroline Pauwels will deliver that again over de Zaak-DT. Maar professor Karen Celis, academic coordinator of the gelijkheidsbeleid within the VUB, is not a plan. ‘I want the students to say: I hear Jullie.’
Last week brought a number of events to the light of the VUB as a professor of archeology on the books, after which 23 reports were received within large amounts transferred by students, intimacy and power abuse. What u daarvan op de hoogte?
“Nope. I read the same thing with the rest of the land in Krant. I will be academic coordinator against the law within our university, and there will be work done on the notification of a large transfer fee that is on our agenda. Maar ik was not on the hoogte van de meldingen, nor van het feit that the sorrows rise tot the ontslag van een collega. You’re completely screwed.”
That’s too great, gezien uw functie? Were you then not consulted?
“I don’t understand the word in individual cases. Naturally, there is no critique in the full VUB community in terms of reporting on global reports. Maar ik word not systematically explained and al Zeker not over concrete cases. Dat hoort uiteraard also zo, gezien de vertrouwelijkheid van dergelijke meldingen.”
Heeft het u ook verrast dat het grensoverschrijdend gerag so long kon doorgaan? The first klachten zouden in 2010 al zijn inland geopen.
“Then come helaas heel vaak terug in dergelijke zaken. The reality of our hele maatschappij is that what is going on is long lived. We’re now saying, well #MeToo, on a hinge point: tolerance is on.”
Is that also not a problem for the university or is it aft? Tien jaar gegeden what het toch also wel duidelijk dat proffen students not like vragen welk ondergoed ze dragen?
“Zeker. I don’t think that that’s true, we know that it’s not correct. Maar de cultuur was still different. If it ever operated in a culture, although it had never been said before, then we can do it.”
Rector Caroline Pauwels has completed training and all kinds of procedures on the related issues in the toekomst beter te can pack. Maar misbruik within universities is never new. That comes toch erg laat?
“Within a university context, there were always very few power relations. We know from the other zoeken that he is going to go to the Universities of Voorvalt. Hoeveel dat is in vergelijking with other sectors, so we don’t want op. Het dark number is altijd erg groot, veel slachtoffers report me nooit.”
“We zijn dus nooit zo arrogant weeest om te think dat het here not zou kunnen voorvallen. Training, procedures in a deontological code: we were there at all and hele tijd mee bezig. Maar dergelijke internal processes gaan nu eenmaal traag en moeizaam. That we een aantal versnellingen hoger moeten schakelen, is now duidelijk.”
What is the priority for the university?
“Jawel, maar een van vele. How does that go to a university setting? Duurzaamheid is also a priority, other groups need to be considered for internal democracy.”
“We gaan internally veel harder op tafel kloppen. That means we’re going to be better. We would like to see the signals given beforehand, so that we can avoid them. We would like more performant zijn in optreden if it was reported. That was what the students complained about in the cranes because it was dubious: the setting up words were never expected as a institute that performed better than expected. It will be worked on, but not in a different way that is possible on the nodes of the slachtoffers. It is also a little communicated with them in a way that helped them. That is a van de lessen that we now trek.”
The first recent message was in May 2020. Heeft geduurd tot December 2020 vooraleer de universiteit de prof aansprak op zijn gedrag. There are two exam periods: that’s really long.
“Correct. Maar het is not that he is not allowed in the tussentijd. Men is he wel degelijk mee aan de slag gegaan. You must follow the procedures, you can never overdo the work.
Can you ever avoid that he has a large overriding claim?
“You can in any case worry about what you are going to do about it because it could be reported that it could have been spoken about in a way that was confusing. We have a reporting point and a network of trusted persons, so we want more sea and devotees to every new light for students and workers.”
“Whatever you want to do is bij de aanwerving van personel is iedereen heel duidelijk op de hoogte van de deontologische Code and welk gerag not toolereerd wordt. Each one must be subject to the standards and the values of the setting up. We have all sorts of notification points and training courses, we have a deontological code, so nobody can start here before we can be fully aware of it. Ook students never. That must be fully penetrated into the cell of the organization and in the internal communication and evaluation. That’s just a little bit more than it’s worth.”
Zeer opvallend aan dit verhaal: he is a dading afgestloten tussen de VUB and DT, waardoor de universiteit geen info mag geven over de zaak. Because the door can be hidden in a similar function we are on the slag, there is a difference between the new work and the hoogte is.
“Dat ligt de studentses the melding gemaakt hebben heel zwaar op de maag. That means I’m enormously good. En het spijt me erg dat naast wat hen overkwam ze zich daar ook nog worries over moeten maken. Dat ze je also terugkomen in de zaak-Bart De Pauw. A van de hoofddoelen van vrouwen om dergelijk gedrag aan te kaarten, is precious om te zorgen dat het stops. That he nog nog slachtoffers vallen. Op deze manner bereiken zij dat doel natuurlijk niet.”
“Maar anyway, that’s never been said: je kan als universiteit niet opvolgen waar al je ex-werknemers naartoe gaan en dan proactieh de nieuwe werkgevers informatie procure.”
Never van allemaal, maar missed wel van degenen the ontslagen zijn voor grensoverschrijdend gedrag. That’s an overkill, aren’t we there?
“Uiteraard. It is true that it is not used. Also not in dergelijke gevallen. What is happening is that there is a new work, it is meant in the course of academic functies, from a bevelings letter. Then he said we would like to contact opgenomen over het functions van een person. Maar dat gaat dan steeds uit van de nieuwe werkgever.”
What is it that you say about the gang?
“Kijk, we can accept that het here went over zeer seriously grensoverschrijdend gedrag, aangezien de worksnemer in kwestie ontslagen is. Then I saw that he met the person a traject had been planned to start because of the fact that he was in his own right, and hopefully he could also be guilty. Want that is the best guarantee that you can’t afford it more than you want: when you know it, you know what you’re doing. That is what the university can do. Maar dat is bijn weten niet geurd.”
Uw universiteit heeft beslist om not meer over deze zaak te communiceren. Why doet u dat wel?
“Ik vind het heel erg belangrijk om dat not world te doen. I want the drunk students who want to do it, but all the other students in the VUB say: I hear jullie. I can’t pass it later. I’d like to worry about Jullie’s stem staying there. I’m still working harder, so I’m worried that he’ll really change something.”