Caroline van der Plas about the BBB’s promises. Why she has doubts about the Lelylijn and has changed her mind about teachers’ hotline and black piet

Caroline van der Plas is in the winning mood and expects the election result to be even better than the polls. “We also get a lot of votes from people who have not voted before,” she says at the start of an interview in her office in The Hague. “What I hear a lot is: ‘you are sincere, we understand what you mean, we are following debates again now that you are there’.”