Sigrid Kaag was the subject of a very fierce TV fight in Shownieuws last night. Guido den Aantractor and René Mioch almost got into each other’s hair there. “You contribute to Kaag-hate!”
Story boss Guido den Aantractor has been one of the most prominent critics of Sigrid Kaag, the departing D66 leader, for years. She leaves politics because the threats to her address are too heavy a burden on her family life. Many people find it intense, others see it as an excuse to mask her failure.
Sandra intervenes
Guido had in last night Show news not a good word for her about it. “What I don’t like about this whole charade is that it is framed so enormously that it is threatened. She is talking about the torch that was at the door. (…) A while ago, that torch was just discussing it with a number of people in the House of Representatives.”
That says enough, he says. “If such a person is really very threatening, then he is under lock and key or the police are watching him. So that didn’t happen at all.”
Lariekoek, says Sandra Schuurhof: “There are more people who have been convicted, have been imprisoned and yet are released again. That doesn’t mean you haven’t committed a crime.”
Rene gets angry
When Sandra remarks that Kaag is guarded 24 hours a day, Guido remarks: “Yes, is that true? Did you inquire?”
René: “Are you going to say that’s not the case? I saw on Twitter tonight that you too retweeted something from someone who says she just sees Sigrid Kaag in the store shopping and going out for dinner. He actually stated that it is not too bad with that security.”
Guido: “She walks down the street without security. That man noticed. And I have also seen photos in the media of her just walking the dogs, for example.”
René: “You don’t think there might be security somewhere?”
Sandra: “Exactly. As a layman you often cannot see where… No! No!”
Guido: “Were you there?”
D66 stronghold
René is annoyed. “What’s your plan? Why are you going to say this like that? Why do you call it a puppet show?”
Guido sticks to his point of view. “I am a journalist and this is what I think. We all know that Sigrid Kaag was a kind of love baby of certain media, especially the public broadcaster, a D66 stronghold anyway. She was so wonderfully elitist and politically correct. That is a wonderful figurehead to use for the NPO and especially left-wing media.”
He continues: “She was able to fill the entire Op1 broadcast again tonight. I just want to say: they are able – and Sigrid Kaag – to frame themselves in a certain way. What I really miss is that journalists also look a little further for once, don’t they? We all just assume she’s quitting now because her daughters said so.”
Sweet cake
When Guido repeats that it ‘disturbs him enormously that Kaag gets away with a certain frame every time’, Iris van Lunenburg asks: “But what kind of frame do you mean exactly?”
Sandra: “If that’s the truth, that frame?”
Guido: “It’s about me… What I mean is that journalism can just say to someone: ‘I’m quitting because I’m being threatened and my children don’t like it.’”
Sandra: “But this is a fact.”
Guido: “How do you know that is the case?”
Sandra: “She doesn’t get that security just like that.”
Guido: “Yes, but dear Sandra, you are a journalist yourself, but you just take it for granted.”
Sandra: “We have also seen it and someone has been convicted for it!”
Kaag-hatred
Many people claim that Kaag is a victim of sexism and misogyny. Guido: “Is it really female related? Can’t it just be Kaag-hate? That is with the general public… She is the least loved politician.”
René: “I also think that you, for example – and I follow you on Twitter – contribute considerably to this, because if there is anything negative to say about her or an interpretation or someone puts something down about Kaag, then you come right away. weather…”
Guido: “But does that have to do with the fact that she is a woman, René? Now I want to say something! (…) So if you tackle a man – because that’s what you actually say – then nothing is wrong, but if you tackle a woman, then it suddenly becomes misogyny. You suggest that.”
René: “No, no. You use the word Kaag-hate. That really exists and that is very much alive and I think you participate in it.”
“this is frame”
Guido gets really pissed off with that comment. “This is framing. This is turning things around. Can you imagine that the ordinary Dutchman who works very hard and who is constantly getting caught in all kinds of ways by such a minister of Finance, that these people just hate her because she is so terribly haughty?”
He roars: “René suggests that I am misogyny and that is of course complete nonsense. (…) You can still take it back.”
René: “René’s last reaction? I really want to know what is happening with André Hazes and the strike in Hollywood.”
Guido: “Yes, but René, if you react like that, I will no longer take your entire reaction seriously.”
René: “I wasn’t talking about misogyny, I was talking about Kaag-hatred.”