The headline once again suggests something different and is reminiscent of the Paolo Guerrero case.
Watching the video, Schmidt gets wet and almost hit by a water bottle. He then throws the (quasi) empty, i.e. soft plastic bottle in a high arc into the air/into the spectators. So there was no real risk of injury here.
The red card is still okay and a game suspension too, if you like. A subsequent ban by a sports court or similar would be exaggerated in my opinion and not appropriate here.
I see it the same way, red and a short ban are okay. To be honest, it wasn’t much more than that.
I hope the home club will be punished more severely. Is it common in Portugal to be able to take bottles into the stadium? A safety net or other protection is urgently needed here with such a small distance between the guest bench and the grandstand.
Instead of in the form of a safety net (on the long side? ) once again to take 99% of the spectators into clan custody, one could simply take all the throwers out of the stadium for life.
Appropriate to yesterday’s France derby, Marseille-Paris. At 2: 0, the Parisians cheer on the field, but close to the ultra block of the Marseilles. Immediately, fully manned forces with defensive shields (!) on the field to protect the players from (sometimes heavy) missiles from the “fans”. One of the guys blocked a really crunchy part, you could see that very well.
Appropriately, in the same Derby a few years ago, Payet was hit with a lighter while taking a corner and then angrily threw it back at the crowd. Then it was enough for a space storm..
It’s totally crazy what’s going on in the stadiums (and around them), you could admire again on Sunday in league 2. I won’t be in any arena any more before it’s even properly cracked down on.
I think that’s always seen too drastically.
I prefer the fact that emotions are shown in the stands to the gossip audience in the USA. Marseille vs. Paris is the biggest derby in France, one of the most heated games in football Europe and when a few beer mugs (aka quite a bullet) and lighters fly, that’s what happens. Even a full beer mug hurts for 10 seconds, but then it’s over. Sometimes the players deliberately provoke this and even if it’s unnecessary, these cauldron games are an absolute highlight for everyone involved, both players and fans in the stadium and in front of the TV. Okay, it might be a bit stressful for the referee..
yeah Happens. Do you get lighters and beer mugs in your head? Then it hurts. You might also get a laceration. But then the whining must stop again soon! It would be absurd if misconduct were sanctioned up to bodily harm.
And if players or coaches get something like that, then that’s just an occupational hazard. And if a Georg Koch suffers permanent hearing damage from bullets or similar, then that’s okay. He earned millions.
Of course I say that you can’t prevent beer mug throws in cauldron games and you interpret that I tolerate pyro on the field. But hey, just make up something that was never written and zag, you can make the other user look stupid…love this level of discussion. To each his own.
Just take a minute before you write a comment. It was about catch fences on all sides. In the top leagues, 1.8 million people come to the stadiums of the five top leagues on each match day. That’s almost 60-65 million per season, just in league games.
If you now compare how often a laceration, comparable or worse, occurs through a cup, lighter, etc., then the current rules are absolutely fine and sufficient in my opinion. Such a plastic cup is not a brick.
If you are of the opinion that this is not enough and that safety fences or something thicker should be erected around the stadium, then of course you have every right to do so. They don’t bother you in front of the TV.
You don’t just say that you simply can’t prevent it, you also titled it succinctly “just happens.” And it gets even better. A beer mug like this “hurts for 10 seconds, but then it’s over.”
You seriously think that anyone on the pitch would take it so easy if they got hit.
If you respond to lighters and beer mugs with “yeah, that’ll happen” and thus tolerate it directly and indirectly, that’s an invitation for more. Hence my slight exaggeration with Georg Koch (although that wasn’t even particularly exaggerated).
If you say that the current safety precautions are obviously sufficient, since relatively little happened with the cumulative viewership, then you may be right. But that was never my point. I was more concerned with your attitude in the sense of “just happens, it hurts for a moment, but what the heck”. That would be a free pass for all borderline viewers to behave like monkeys.
That fits perfectly and I also agree with you.
Wasn’t expressed very happily, your interpretation of this sentence is of course okay, but it wasn’t what I actually wanted to say.
The cups in the first league were switched to bioplastics some time ago. Unlike the hard plastic cups, nothing happens in most cases. There are of course exceptions, such as the Gittelmann case. The fact that I then dismissed it as “just happened” was of course not well formulated.
But you can’t prevent cup throws per se and since these injuries are fortunately very rare absences, the clubs have done enough in my opinion.
In my opinion, further measures are not expedient as long as the extent remains as it is currently.
And I think the example Koch is an exaggeration. For me it makes a complete difference whether you throw your beer mug forward when a goal or a goal is conceded, or deliberately take a firecracker out of your pocket, light it and throw it at the player/coach.
I’m also extremely annoyed by the beer mug throwing, because I’m usually far ahead in the curve and I easily get 4 or 5 beer showers and mugs per season. Incidentally, the 2 € deposit is too good for me.
But I don’t assume that anyone deliberately wants to hurt me or the people around me, which, as I said, is also virtually impossible.
But if you’ve never gotten a cup, then I can understand that it’s very painful.
Also that regarding lighters; I didn’t mean that I would approve of it when I said that it would happen, but you simply can’t do anything about it and as long as it has the current dimensions I would find it unnecessary to tighten it up.
Nowadays you can’t take a normal bottle of water into the stadium because of a few *****s, you always have to buy something for a lot of money or don’t drink anything for the three hours. Of course, it was very convenient for the clubs ^^
Of course you can do something against the people who want to abuse the anonymity of the stadium for their animal instincts and misunderstood fans, you can consistently exclude them from the game…
Either you use the technical variant, cup, lighter, etc.. throwers are determined consistently, retina scanners are attached to the turnstiles at all stadiums and if your retina is on the red list, you won’t get in. Can you even expand European…
Or you do it like in England and raise the prices so much that the small part of the bawling mob who can afford the tickets is so in the minority that they don’t dare to misbehave you could not hide in anonymity and would attract attention…
The clubs would not suffer any losses with either version, there is more demand than supply almost everywhere and if the ultra subculture disappears from the stadiums with constant banging, drumming and throwing, the 99% “normal fans” don’t really care …