Dress rehearsal of the Champions League representatives goes to Frankfurt: thrashing of RB Leipzig

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Tedesco is better than Terzic, Leipzig’s squad much stronger than Dortmund – suddenly it’s very quiet about these voices
I’m also betting that Rose will land in Leipzig in the next few weeks. Exciting who from the trio Tedesco, Seoane or Kovac has to go first.

So the squad from Leipzig is also stronger than that from Dortmund. Whether you can say that he is much stronger is another question.

Well, Tedesco is apparently someone who, at least at this level, simply cannot make a team successful in the long term.

Absolutely! they have also been the legitimate number 2 for years – if they lose the cup final against a competitor for this status, it has no meaning, if they win it, the steep thesis is proven.
If they finish third or fourth in the league, it’s only because they chose the wrong coach, but that can’t be the competitor’s fault.
Injury worries, departures, balance sheet in the direct duels – all of this also only counts at will.

Feelings of truth…

Don’t know what the point of this polemic is, but if you objectively look at the squad of both teams, Leipzig is a bit stronger. You should also be honest as a BVB fan.

And I see Terzic as an extremely strong coach who is probably better than Tedesco.

I tell you – felt truths. And why “should” I “honestly” admit something at all if I see it differently? And THAT one can see it differently, there are probably arguments for that, because it is not clear as postulated. My arguments are: Goalkeepers, central defence, the entire midfield and the width of the squad are significantly stronger in black and yellow… for the rest it’s a matter of taste. But that’s just an opinion…

What are your parameters for the oh so “objective” consideration?
If it’s like you say, why can’t the team show it? Let me guess: it’s the coach’s fault… if you buy this bogus argument, you’re good to go. But the players are ultimately the ones who have the potential to convert – and I find Olmo’s innocuousness to score astonishing and, for example, I find the Hungarian (the spelling is unknown to me) grossly overestimated.
Werner bought past the needs and style of play of the coach, Silva and Raum (like Schulz – it’s good that this cup passed us by) so far a one-hit-wonder each, Forsberg, the Hungarian in goal and Poulsen over the zenith, Gvardiol so far more hype than reality, Schlager is apparently cut by Tedesco, with Raum against Angelino they even got worse with an exchange…

As of now: huge deficit so far, although Leipzig can almost draw from the full, while Dortmund’s king transfer has testicular cancer and the black and yellow hospital is full again – and the ONLY argument is the way the coach plays?

Before you get to the actual topic, calm down your polemics a bit yes, I also write quite normally, you don’t need to feel personally attacked because your club’s squad is seen as a little weaker than that of another club.

The goalkeeper is stronger in black and yellow, yes. In general, Kobel is an extremely good goalkeeper who saved BVB a few points last season.
With the best will in the world, the central defense is no stronger than that of Leipzig. With Süle, Schlotterbeck and Hummels, BVB has three players who can be considered serious permanent staff. Hummels is well past his prime and often played very, very poorly, especially last season.
Schlotterbeck is a great talent but often has a lot of inaccuracies and Süle is a strong defender who can also tend to let things go too well. You should first wait and see how things are going for him at BVB.
Leipzig has five people in central defense with Gvardiol, Simakan, Orban, Klostermann and Diallo, all of whom can be regular players. Gvardiol in particular can of course be highlighted. You criticize him in your post, which shows that you didn’t engage with him. He is by far the best Leipzig defender in the current situation and he has the talent to be one of the best central defenders in the world. I read somewhere here recently that if he played for Bayern, he would long since have a market value of 70 million.
It is also incorrect that the entire midfield is stronger at BVB.
Bellingham is stronger yes but otherwise? Dahoud, Can and Brandt are all absolutely constant and often do not perform at all. Özcan is a great clearer and fighter. Leipzig has Schlager for this role, which is two classes better than Özcan.
And the squad width is no better at BVB. That’s where Leipzig is much better, because apart from two positions, they really have two or three strong players in all of them. Especially on the offensive.

And yes, obviously it’s up to the coach or do you want to claim that a team with such a squad can’t do more than the 11th place you’re currently on?
Take a look at what Tedesco is making there. The team played incredibly well in the cup on Tuesday and several of the people who performed so well there are back on the bench today.
That’s exactly what he does all the time. People who showed great performances in the previous game then sit on the bench in the next game and people who don’t perform well are used.
He has his favorites who seem to always be allowed to play, such as Kampl, who should actually be a backup player. Instead, a hit, which is the required midfield clearer, sits permanently on the bench.
To do this, he stubbornly sticks to his system, for example the back three, which should have been changed to a back four today.
It also doesn’t occur to him to set up a Nkunku, Werner and Silva Mal all three together, although the three of them can harmonize well together.
Well, the fact that Olmo hasn’t scored that many goals so far is also due to Tedesco’s system, which holds him back, but he still plays very well and gives a lot of important passes, but the same applies to Szoboszlai, who keeps making the decisive passes in front of the assist plays.
And that Raum and Silva are one hit wonders is also not true.
Little can be said about space, since the season is only a few match days old and Silva has already had several good seasons. In the last season he z. B. even though he was new to the club and not well integrated under Marsch, 25 goal participations were collected in the end. And otherwise, he harmonizes really well with Nkunku and plays very good passes with him again and again and also shines with an excellent positional play. It’s just stupid that Tedesco keeps putting him on the bench.
And Leipzig can draw on unlimited resources while the BVB hospital is full to bursting? This is also a transfiguration of reality. BVB currently has three injuries (without paying Morey, because unfortunately he is not a factor at BVB anyway due to his two serious injuries).
Leipzig, on the other hand, has two injured players. Among them is Klostermann, the best defender next to Gvardiol. And Laimer and Gulacsi weren’t always able to play because of smaller things.

And yes, when the best people are on the bench and the favorites, who are significantly worse, are playing, the system is stubbornly stuck, even if it obviously doesn’t help, people are put in foreign positions (Nkunku, for example, was in central midfield today where he doesn’t belong), there is practically no idea to play, there are completely unsuitable changes (today, for example, he substituted a defender with Halstenberg when the score was 0:3), etc. then it’s obviously up to the coach.

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