“I remember that when I was 20 and had to come out of the closet, I started praying. That I said: God, please make sure this is not the case. And that I can still continue with Michelle,” Groenendijk tells Fred van Leer.
“I hope this will pass and I will be normal for my parents.” Fred responds: “Well, that didn’t work out.” Richard: “But it all turned out fine.”
Fred van Leer prays every day
In the episode that can be listened to from Monday, Van Leer reveals that he still prays: “No, I pray every day and then I say before I start: please forgive me for everything I have said, done and thought.” Groenendijk responds with: “Nice and easy, then they have to keep a whole administration up there with you.”