«C‘He was, in this girl, a sort of appeal not reducible to the usual categories … it appeared as the first diva of the song that was not a woman, but she was not even a child … emblem of a generation, she became ideal rule and stabilized as a myth “. Rita Pavone He was 19, he had arrived on the scenes just from two and already deserved this analysis of Umberto Eco in Apocalyptic and integrated. Mass communications and mass culture theory. Now that he is about to turn 80 (August 23) would still have material to offer to the great semiologist: Far from the pension, in February he made his debut as a writer with the stories Gemma and the others (The ship of Teseo) And he is on tour with an unpublished format for her, dialogue-conferred One foot in the past and the gaze straight and open in the future. Next appointment, on 8 July in Ascoli Piceno for There AC Milan.
“I wanted the pants”
Rita Pavone, 80 years old on August 23rd.
«Being so different – but in reality the same as many others – was perhaps my luck. I have never focused on femininity: the body helps, clear, but it matters what you transmit to people. I have always lived well with myself, although it was not easy to demonstrate that even in a meter and fifty -three and a half – I keep it at that vehicle! (laughs) – There was something. It was the period of the “increased”, and I was the exact opposite. Moreover, a little a boy, having grown by playing with three brothers ».
Someone at the beginning criticized her because she preferred to wear pants …
And for short hair. Which I then cut them like Audrey Hepburn in Roman holidaysbut I didn’t have his mink and I looked like a boy. However, I don’t complain, several made me the thread.
Rita Pavone and Gianni Morandi
Gianni Morandi included.
(smiles) But at the time I did not understand it. Weeks ago a Spanish friend phoned me. “There is Antonio Banderas on TV who talks about you!”. Banderas ??? He sent me the link. He says: “At seven years I loved an Italian singer, Rita Pavone. He had this crack in the middle of the teeth that fascinated me”. (laughs)
Intelligence to the MilanSiana
Rita Pavone and Gianni Morandi in the sixties (Getty Images).
Theme of AC Milan It is intelligence. The least intelligent thing he did?
A gesture that I continue to be ashamed of. In 1962 – after winning the Festival of strangers of Ariccia, conceived by Ferruccio (Ferruccio Merk Ricordi, aka Teddy Reno, editor’s note) – We went on tour and with us there was a rather bursting peer of mine … I asked that it was fired! In my discolpa I can say that it was a trivial attack of jealousy, the spy I had fallen in love (I hadn’t understood it): with Ferruccio we have been together since 1968! Sometimes I look at him while walking in the garden – he is now 99, he is confused – and I say to me: “Well, in short, it was a nice two -walk!”.
The smartest thing you recognize?
Having fought for the profession I dreamed of, and never resign myself. After the fifth grade they sent me to work, I got up at four and a half to reach the shirt from the outskirts of Turin, but I re -proposed: not being able to study, I will learn alone! I am curious about every topic, I want to understand. And very intelligent was to marry who it seemed to me: marriage is one Sliding Dooreither you get the right door, or eat your hands for eternity.
It was the right door.
He aroused a sensation, attracted me criticism (the husband is 19 years older than her and was separated in an Italy in which divorce did not exist, editor’s note), they even commented: “It is a move to win the Cantagiro, and will last the time of a song”. Other than the song, it was theAida… (laughs)
Bullying and body shaming
Rita Pavone with Teddy Reno (Getty Images).
Who had opposed?
My father. Tuonò: “In my house he does not enter.” And “This house is mine, I bought me”. But I owe everything to dad: he believed in me since I had three, four years and sang Chíu chíu chíu chíu: “Sing sings pajarito … you sing me alegra el corazón” (hen). It seems that they put so much to convince me to get on the table, but more to get me down … such a trust was not so obvious.
What is you thinking about?
To the teacher, who screamed me: “You will never combine anything good!”. To the classmate who repeated to me “Zolfanello head”, alluding to hair color. To other unrepeatable offenses. And today they talk to me about bullying, Body Shaming…
The greatest professional satisfactions?
That after 12 episodes of Studio 1 (the Rai variety with Mina, in 1963, editor’s note) not only did I enter the ranking, but I overtook myself alone! The ball game, Heart, The brick dance… the second: having filled the Carnegie Hall, in New York, in 1965. The third: having met stimulating people who gave me great possibilities. Franco Branciaroli in 1995 called me for The twelfth night by Shakespeare! Often my successes were due precisely to the desire not to disappoint them.
“Dark periods”
But Gian Burrasca’s newspaper No? It was an epochal script …
But I was fought before accepting. Wertmüller, who was among the authors of Studio 1one day he invited me to read Vamba’s novel. I came to me a heart attack when I understood that the protagonist was a boy! But Lina managed to convince me, quoting me as an example Katherine Hepburn in The devil is female and promising me a custom -made role (in Rita la Mosquitothe 1966 musicarello, editor’s note). Luckily I gave way! A magnificent operation has proved to be four future Oscar prizes: the Wertmüller itself, the composers Nino Rota and Luis Bacalov, the costume designer Piero Tosi, the same as The gotopardo.
Any regrets?
I would have liked to stay in America: they had led me to see Sammy Davis Jr. (danced, sang, imitated, played the battery) and Barbra Streisand in Funny Girl. Staying there would allow me to learn to dance as I wanted and, perhaps, to play an instrument: I would have loved the sax like the Lisa dei Simpson! (smiles) Unfortunately my father opposed.
Where does such energy draw from?
Raising the bar makes me younger, lighter, almost child: she is a breath of pure air. Trying us, not giving anything for lost, is a capacity that I am proud of. The dark periods captain, even happened to Frank Sinatra!
Which were his?
One coincided with the advent of songwriters. Another with the intervention in the heart: in 2005 they saved me for a hair. Evidently, for those who are up there it was not my hour.
“My rosa jaguar”
Rita Pavone with her Jaguar Rosa in 1966 (Getty Images).
Is it religious?
Very. I’m sorry not to have gone to Lourdes (I go there every year as a volunteer). There is a need to believe in something: what sense would it have to get angry, laugh, cry, if there is no ending?
And the relationship with the past? You keep the childhood bed, the rose jaguar …
Ah yes! I bought the jaguar for my 21 years (I was finally no longer a minor, I could decide independently): “I will be small but cabbage, look at what a car!”. (laughs) I put the bed in my son’s room (he has two, Alessandro and Giorgio, editor’s note): It is good to remember what was the beginning, and my beginning was a fortune of the corridor, in front of the bathroom. These are things that once maybe they hurt you and on which I smile today, aware that everything serves.
How will it celebrate on August 23? By the way: it is of the Virgin.
In reality they are cusp with the previous sign, the lion. And this explains the dualism that is in me. The peacock is brazen, loves the stage. Rita is methodical, boring, a river thread. And above all, she is reserved and quiet, she loves to be in the family. She will prevail this time: we will eat a nice cake at home.
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