Still, the arrival of Slob isn’t the only thing that comes to Benak’s mind. “Of course you also had the hassle with our former King’s Commissioner, Jacques Tichelaar. He kept insisting that he had done nothing wrong.”

Tichelaar was discredited in 2017 after he allegedly played a dubious role in a job that was awarded by the province to his sister-in-law. “He kept denying me that he had done anything wrong,” Benak recalled. “Later he had to admit he screwed up. And that was his downfall.”

It can crackle in Cassata, but nobody has ever run away from Benak in the broadcast. “I sometimes quarreled. And sometimes things don’t go well between guests. For example, there was once a toast in the broadcast on the runway extension of Eelde, by a delighted director of the airport at the time. He took champagne with him to celebrate. Reinder Hoekstra of the Nature and Environment Federation thought there was nothing to celebrate, and put his glass upside down demonstratively.”

Two days before the 30th anniversary is episode 1183 of Cassata. Today Benak will receive in the studio Raymond Wanders, PvdA alderman in Emmen, Paul van der Wijk, who will leave as board chairman at the WZA in Assen, and writers’ collective from A to Z from Zweeloo and Aalden. The table guest is Leo Hendriks, of the WMD, who is leaving the Drenthe water company.

Cassata can be heard and seen between 12:00 and 14:00.

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